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smile.gif posted on 27-8-2005 at 19:52
Music Cooperation on KAE-Forum ?


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My question is if there has ever been something like a creative cooperation between the KAE Forum members to create a new song together.
I mean this would be very easy via E-Mail...
Just mixdown your part , encode to mp3 and send it to the next one.

Everybody here in this Forum, at least the "older" members can do a song on their own, but as its only human, everybody has strenghts and weaknesses.

There are great drummers, guitarreros, bassists, keyboarders, singers, songwriters and KAE-Pros on this Forum, but I think nobody is best at all this at once.

So why don?t we throw all our ability in one pot and create something together.
Something like a virtual band.

Should be great...

Just a thought of mine...

What do you think about it ?

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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 20:20


Qatcho,

It's odd you mention that I idea; I had thought "I wonder if some collaborations will develop as a result of the KAE forum?" I'd certainly enjoy pitching in (I play a pretty impressive egg shaker) :D

One thing though- MP3s can't be imported into KAE can they? Would this create a problem of sorts? (I'm confident that SOMEBODY on this forum will surely know a way around such a problem anyway).
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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 20:26


No, mp3s cannot be imported directly in KAE, but there are plenty of freeware decoders to convert a mp3 in a wav-File in a few seconds.
Should be no problem.




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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 20:57


Why not with *.ogg-files, you cracks? :D
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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 21:15


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Why not with *.ogg-files, you cracks? :D


I?d do it with ogg, wag, snu, puh, rzfu, lag, zrrrt or every other format that does or does not exist... you understand what I mean?:D

The point is, that it is possible to do it.

(And I think at the Level of Homerecording we are practicing mp3 at 192 kB would be sufficent.) ;)




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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 21:27


I don't understand nothing, cause why, do you think, the developers implemented *.ogg and not *.mp3?

Very easy: ogg has a better compression and a better quality.

But I don't care... I thought my idea would be helpfull for *you* and *your* project and would save a lot of time and confusion for *you* not to have to convert something.

Sorry 'bout my intervention. I swear, I will not disturb oncemore...
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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 21:36


Unfortunatly mp3 is the only compression format I know.
I didn?t know that ogg can be directly imported in Kristal.
Therefor I have to apologize and thank you for your helpful hint.

P.S.: No need to be upset. :)




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[*] posted on 27-8-2005 at 23:08
discussed it, never tried it


A while back this was brought up here. Many were interested but it never happened. I'd be willing to give it a shot! Sign me up...here's my email...drumist69@yahoo.com
As for format, never worked with ogg, I know I can go back and forth between MP3 and WAV, so thats good for me. As for quality and all that, well yeah we want things to sound good, but this is all for fun anyway, so what the heck!




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[*] posted on 28-8-2005 at 00:47


count me in. I'll work with mp3, wave, ogg, whatever! let's rock.

my email is timboykin "at" gmail "dot" com.

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[*] posted on 28-8-2005 at 00:52


I guess I should have given you my e-mail address as well ;)

thewerdz@yahoo.com

Like I said earlier, count me in.
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[*] posted on 28-8-2005 at 05:48


I have been thinking this very thing. An international collab. Files can be sent thru yousendit.com . I think it would be an awesome project. I am using bad123mojo@yahoo.com



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[*] posted on 28-8-2005 at 06:57


Quote:
Originally posted by qatcho
Hello,

My question is if there has ever been something like a creative cooperation between the KAE Forum members to create a new song together.
I mean this would be very easy via E-Mail...
Just mixdown your part , encode to mp3 and send it to the next one.

Everybody here in this Forum, at least the "older" members can do a song on their own, but as its only human, everybody has strenghts and weaknesses.

There are great drummers, guitarreros, bassists, keyboarders, singers, songwriters and KAE-Pros on this Forum, but I think nobody is best at all this at once.

So why don?t we throw all our ability in one pot and create something together.
Something like a virtual band.

Should be great...

Just a thought of mine...

What do you think about it ?

Greets,

qatcho

Yeah I've thought about the same thing. I'd be glad to jump into the fray. I figure the easy way is to make the wav file, encode it to mp3, encode back to wav, import, record and then send an mp3. Haven't worked with the ogg thing yet. Anyway, teach me! I an help if you want my input. Any musical ideas? Grooves? Progressions? Songs you need a guitar track on? Some of my stuff could use some keys.
Have fun!
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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 02:45
people on board, what now?


OK, I notice I and many others are into this idea. The question now is where to go from here. How do we colaborate on a song that isn't written yet? I would say someone should step up to the plate with a song, or idea of a song, that they don't "have a home for". I guess we need to decide how we're going to keep everything in sync. For example, I'd be happy to contribute drums, but there's a problem with my drum recordings that would make that difficult. I do drums first, to tape on a tascam 4-track, then dump them into Kristal and proceed from there. The problem is with tape stretching. If I record drums this way to a pre-recorded part, when I dump them into Kristal it won't line up with what was there to begin with. I discovered this with one of my own tracks when I decided to do the drums over, and the tape stretch thing prevented that from happening. It would be concievable for me to bring the drums here to the bedroom and record into Kristal, but no guarantees on sound here!
I guess if someone has a song to contribute to the effort, cut a rhythm guitar part or something like that, to a click track (I would suggest using Hammerhead for this, keeping the click as a seperate track in KAE), and pass it on so we can all jump in and violate it. I would also like to suggest that those who wish to contribute a part to the whole do so, but also anyone among us who wants to finish the whole song on their own do so as well. It would be cool to hear how 10 different people take the same begining in 10 different directions. Also might find some similarities as well. Phew! I'll pull out the guitar and try to come up with something in the next few days myself! ANDY




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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 05:09
Let's get this party started


Ok, I posted links to a little guitar loop at http://timmehworld.com

there's both an mp3 and an ogg.

to use the mp3 in KAE, you'll need to convert it to a wave or some other compatable format.

Presumably you'll be able to place the ogg file directly into Kristal.

edit: it's 4/4 time at 120 bpm, the default time setting of KAE.

It's not really a loop per se, but can easily be made to be one as soon as you get into KAE, with yer musical snap on. I cut it to the KAE metronome. there's a count in (with my pick), then the progression, then it ends in time. Play around with it, do whatever you want. Party on!

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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 05:50
nice progression...


I downloaded the mp3, converted to wav. What is the chord progression? I'm a self-taught drummer who decided to be a self-taught guitarist as well, so I'm a dunce for figuring out other people's stuff! I have some ideas for this, though. Watch out for that hurricane timmeh! Batten down the hatches!



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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 06:16


G D G C --------> 3X

then

Emin C G D


G stops

But y'all are welcome to chop it up or whatever ya wanna do.

>Watch out for that hurricane timmeh! >Batten down the hatches!

Heh, thanks Andy. Birmingham's pretty far inland, we'll probably be OK, just get a little weather. I just hope we don't lose power! :o

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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 06:23
yeah I know!


This storm looks like an evil beeyotch, though. I'm pretty sure it'll make it up here in the WNC mountains. We got the [Censored] flooded out of us last year from "hurricane remnants"....took me about an hour to find a way to town that wasn't flooded or had power lines down across the road!



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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 07:09


well dang! You be careful too!

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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 07:34


Well, I think to get started we got to work out at first who does what.

Songwriting :
Guitars :
Bass:
Drums:
Piano: qatcho
Vocals: qatcho
Strings:
Lyrics:
Final Mix:

Just paste n?copy the list and write your name to the part you would like to do.
There is no problem if there is more than one Member at one part.

Great that you wanna do this together!

Thanks to timmeh for the first guitar loop. Sounds good.
We can work on that.

CU,
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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 08:52


Andy, have I ever mentioned I used to live in Fayetteville, NC? It was years ago....

edit: sorry, I digress.....:D




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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 13:44


I really like Andy's idea about everyone taking the basic tracks and then finishing them; I think it would be a lot of fun (and a good learning experience) to see what different things people come up with. I suppose we could easily do both (i.e. record the song as a collaboration between everyone, and anyone who wants can easily finish the song on their own as well).

For this initial endeavor, I think I'll choose a part that I can't screw up too badly :D and thus I chose bass guitar.

Songwriting :
Guitars :
Bass: Squire
Drums:
Piano: qatcho
Vocals: qatcho
Strings:
Lyrics:
Final Mix:
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Songwriting : mcart
Guitars :
Bass: Squire
Drums:
Piano: qatcho
Vocals: qatcho
Strings: mcart
Lyrics:
Final Mix:




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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 16:31


I'll try and work some today on putting the song together w/ timmehs loop.

Update: I have got the song looped together and added a simple bridge Em/Bm/C/D. Should be good for harmonies!

I would like to add the strings near the end of the project, so I guess it's ready for bass and drums. Who wants it???




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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 20:07


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[*] posted on 29-8-2005 at 22:53
I'm in for drums


I'd be willing to give mixing a shot too. I think it would be cool if everyone did a final mix, though.
Yeah, timmeh, we've talked about good ole Fayettenam before! What a hole! ANDY

Songwriting :
Guitars :
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Drums:drumist69 (andy)
Piano: qatcho
Vocals: qatcho
Strings:
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Final Mix:drumist69 (andy)




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